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		<title>By: Tantris</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow: I got my Garmin the same day. I hail from colorful Colorado too. And I remember running beside you for a while at the Cherry Tree. If I were the sort to name my sports watch, I&#039;m sure I would name it Hazel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow: I got my Garmin the same day. I hail from colorful Colorado too. And I remember running beside you for a while at the Cherry Tree. If I were the sort to name my sports watch, I&#8217;m sure I would name it Hazel.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Ready for Prime Time: A 15K Race Report &#171; RunWestchester</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Ready for Prime Time: A 15K Race Report &#171; RunWestchester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drizzle. Heading up, I realized that I had forgotten my Garmin, perhaps for my refusal to give it a name. I had enough time, so I headed back home. I thought it important to monitor how I was doing in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] drizzle. Heading up, I realized that I had forgotten my Garmin, perhaps for my refusal to give it a name. I had enough time, so I headed back home. I thought it important to monitor how I was doing in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcy</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh I love my G!  When I first started running the first thing I was told was: &quot;buy was a Garmin&quot;.  So I don&#039;t know running life without it.  Although you do know this is the beginning of a love/hate relationship, right? HAHA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh I love my G!  When I first started running the first thing I was told was: &#8220;buy was a Garmin&#8221;.  So I don&#8217;t know running life without it.  Although you do know this is the beginning of a love/hate relationship, right? HAHA</p>
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		<title>By: Robert James Reese</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert James Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lam, if it&#039;s meant to be, you will break 3 hours in Boston.  If not, you&#039;ll just have to re-group and break it this fall in NYC (You&#039;re running NYC again this year, right?)  The world won&#039;t stop spinning if you don&#039;t hit it.

And, wow, your Hartford time is a heart-breaker.  That&#039;s even closer to the BQ cutoff than my failed attempt was.  I don&#039;t even want to imagine how tough that must have been mentally.

More on this, and a general response to your comment are on their way as a new blog post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lam, if it&#8217;s meant to be, you will break 3 hours in Boston.  If not, you&#8217;ll just have to re-group and break it this fall in NYC (You&#8217;re running NYC again this year, right?)  The world won&#8217;t stop spinning if you don&#8217;t hit it.</p>
<p>And, wow, your Hartford time is a heart-breaker.  That&#8217;s even closer to the BQ cutoff than my failed attempt was.  I don&#8217;t even want to imagine how tough that must have been mentally.</p>
<p>More on this, and a general response to your comment are on their way as a new blog post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eliz</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>eliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, so exciting! Mine is Pupi (poopie in english, hahaha) and i love him! the HRM is very useful when you &quot;have&quot; to do an easy run, it&#039;ll make sure you&#039;re not pushing. I am glad you finally got it, it&#039;s like another running buddy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, so exciting! Mine is Pupi (poopie in english, hahaha) and i love him! the HRM is very useful when you &#8220;have&#8221; to do an easy run, it&#8217;ll make sure you&#8217;re not pushing. I am glad you finally got it, it&#8217;s like another running buddy!</p>
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		<title>By: The Laminator</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>The Laminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.cowboyhazel.com/blog/?p=254#comment-308</guid>
		<description>Hey...just wanted to thank you for your comment on Joe&#039;s blog about their being another alternative between running the marathon for the experience and become an asterisk runner.  I think it reflects my sentiments perfectly.

The funny thing is, I had similar thoughts of dropping out of the Boston Marathon and running in general when I suffered my hamstring injury a couple of weeks back.  My thought at that time was...geez, now that I&#039;m hurt and won&#039;t be able to pull off a sub 3 like I wanted, I should just not run.  And then I was like, if I&#039;m such a wuss that I can&#039;t pull off a 60-70 mile training week like it was suggested without getting injured, and if that disqualifies me as a good marathoner....then I should just stop running completely.  The marathon is such a mystical creature, one that eclipses all the other race distances, that if I can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t run it because my mileage wasn&#039;t at par with the sub-elites...when I might as well stop being a runner.

I know that sounds facetious and ridiculous, but I seriously considered it for a couple of days.

I have always thought that we train at similar mileage for our races and as a result, we run similar paces.  We do our usual 30, 40, or 50 mile a week training because that&#039;s what makes sense to us...in the context of our lives and our goals.  Yes, I realize we will not race at our potential with such mileage but why does that really matter in the long run?  For me, I know I physically break down in excess of 60 miles a week.  Mentally, the training takes precedence and it not longer becomes enjoyable for me anymore.  So what would I rather do, enjoy my 40-50 miles a week and go into race day fresh and a little undertrained, or feel miserable running 60-70 miles a week because I&#039;m neglecting other parts of my life, risk injury and having the marathon disintegrate into just another goal race where I have to run my potential to justify all the training that went into it.  In the end, seriously, like you said, we&#039;re not paid to run to our potential no matter how close we get to it, and I can count on one hand how many people will actually feel differently about me if I ran a 2:47 vs 2:57 or even a 3:07 in a marathon.  Also, can people tell how much more training time, effort, and talent etc that it takes to run 2:47 vs 3:07?  Maybe those of us who can run around that time and much faster people do, but not too many others...certainly not those people who I&#039;m surrounded with everyday.  So, if you find satisfaction in your 3:10 because you enjoyed the marathon experience even though it is not your potential (yet finish feeling like you could do better) vs risking EVERYTHING to run your potential, get there and feeling as if you&#039;re not likely to EVER do better...why should that decision be looked down upon as if it&#039;s not legitimate and demarcated with an asterisk (like Barry Bonds).

I seriously do not know if I&#039;ll break 3 in Boston.  There&#039;s so many factors that go into a marathon that trying to be so precise about guessing your goal time is really a crap shoot.  The way I look at it, I could run a 2:55 or 3:05...but I still want to be able to enjoy the experience since it&#039;s my first time.  I&#039;ll be okay if my time isn&#039;t &quot;good&quot; because I&#039;m willing to accept the unpredictability of marathon running...I&#039;m just not so sure about other people.

I commend you for sharing that story about your Armory experience and explaining things in a articulate fashion.  I&#039;m trying not to comment on his blog so as not to continue this debate since it&#039;s gone on for long enough and it&#039;s been affecting my personal outlook for Boston more than it should, so I&#039;m glad someone else who perceive things from a similar vantage point can jump in and make those arguments for me.

Also I think I understand how you feel about your Philly experience.  You may or may not have noticed, but I ran Hartford &#039;06 in 3:11:33 and waited a whole year to BQ in NY &#039;07 with a 3:08:18.  So I definitely know where you&#039;re coming from on that front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;just wanted to thank you for your comment on Joe&#8217;s blog about their being another alternative between running the marathon for the experience and become an asterisk runner.  I think it reflects my sentiments perfectly.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, I had similar thoughts of dropping out of the Boston Marathon and running in general when I suffered my hamstring injury a couple of weeks back.  My thought at that time was&#8230;geez, now that I&#8217;m hurt and won&#8217;t be able to pull off a sub 3 like I wanted, I should just not run.  And then I was like, if I&#8217;m such a wuss that I can&#8217;t pull off a 60-70 mile training week like it was suggested without getting injured, and if that disqualifies me as a good marathoner&#8230;.then I should just stop running completely.  The marathon is such a mystical creature, one that eclipses all the other race distances, that if I can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t run it because my mileage wasn&#8217;t at par with the sub-elites&#8230;when I might as well stop being a runner.</p>
<p>I know that sounds facetious and ridiculous, but I seriously considered it for a couple of days.</p>
<p>I have always thought that we train at similar mileage for our races and as a result, we run similar paces.  We do our usual 30, 40, or 50 mile a week training because that&#8217;s what makes sense to us&#8230;in the context of our lives and our goals.  Yes, I realize we will not race at our potential with such mileage but why does that really matter in the long run?  For me, I know I physically break down in excess of 60 miles a week.  Mentally, the training takes precedence and it not longer becomes enjoyable for me anymore.  So what would I rather do, enjoy my 40-50 miles a week and go into race day fresh and a little undertrained, or feel miserable running 60-70 miles a week because I&#8217;m neglecting other parts of my life, risk injury and having the marathon disintegrate into just another goal race where I have to run my potential to justify all the training that went into it.  In the end, seriously, like you said, we&#8217;re not paid to run to our potential no matter how close we get to it, and I can count on one hand how many people will actually feel differently about me if I ran a 2:47 vs 2:57 or even a 3:07 in a marathon.  Also, can people tell how much more training time, effort, and talent etc that it takes to run 2:47 vs 3:07?  Maybe those of us who can run around that time and much faster people do, but not too many others&#8230;certainly not those people who I&#8217;m surrounded with everyday.  So, if you find satisfaction in your 3:10 because you enjoyed the marathon experience even though it is not your potential (yet finish feeling like you could do better) vs risking EVERYTHING to run your potential, get there and feeling as if you&#8217;re not likely to EVER do better&#8230;why should that decision be looked down upon as if it&#8217;s not legitimate and demarcated with an asterisk (like Barry Bonds).</p>
<p>I seriously do not know if I&#8217;ll break 3 in Boston.  There&#8217;s so many factors that go into a marathon that trying to be so precise about guessing your goal time is really a crap shoot.  The way I look at it, I could run a 2:55 or 3:05&#8230;but I still want to be able to enjoy the experience since it&#8217;s my first time.  I&#8217;ll be okay if my time isn&#8217;t &#8220;good&#8221; because I&#8217;m willing to accept the unpredictability of marathon running&#8230;I&#8217;m just not so sure about other people.</p>
<p>I commend you for sharing that story about your Armory experience and explaining things in a articulate fashion.  I&#8217;m trying not to comment on his blog so as not to continue this debate since it&#8217;s gone on for long enough and it&#8217;s been affecting my personal outlook for Boston more than it should, so I&#8217;m glad someone else who perceive things from a similar vantage point can jump in and make those arguments for me.</p>
<p>Also I think I understand how you feel about your Philly experience.  You may or may not have noticed, but I ran Hartford &#8216;06 in 3:11:33 and waited a whole year to BQ in NY &#8216;07 with a 3:08:18.  So I definitely know where you&#8217;re coming from on that front.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenia</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still Garmin-less, but you are actually getting me to start thinking about purchasing one.

Damn you, CH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still Garmin-less, but you are actually getting me to start thinking about purchasing one.</p>
<p>Damn you, CH.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Garland</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s all the same data dressed differently.</description>
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		<title>By: Robert James Reese</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert James Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I went with the downloadable Garmin training center instead of the online one.  I&#039;ll continue to use my own running log, which is currently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eastcoastrunners.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;East Coast Runners&lt;/a&gt;, but is changing to BestRunningLog.com very soon.  But, it&#039;s always good to check out the competition, so thanks for the link.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I went with the downloadable Garmin training center instead of the online one.  I&#8217;ll continue to use my own running log, which is currently <a href="http://www.eastcoastrunners.com/" rel="nofollow">East Coast Runners</a>, but is changing to BestRunningLog.com very soon.  But, it&#8217;s always good to check out the competition, so thanks for the link.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Garland</title>
		<link>http://www.tobadwater.com/2009/03/running-with-guadalupe/comment-page-1/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Garland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never gave mine a name, but it&#039;s a 305 and I long thought of it as a refrigerator on my wrist and I tend not to name household appliances.

I would suggest hooking it into SportTracks and then you can migrate the data to Buckeye Outdoors, the subject of a recent Runners Round Table discussion and the gateway to a nice new running community site (with, I know TK doesn&#039;t want to hear it) &quot;friends&quot; and everything called GoWagon.com.

I got the HRM but I almost never use it.  And, yes, nice run today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never gave mine a name, but it&#8217;s a 305 and I long thought of it as a refrigerator on my wrist and I tend not to name household appliances.</p>
<p>I would suggest hooking it into SportTracks and then you can migrate the data to Buckeye Outdoors, the subject of a recent Runners Round Table discussion and the gateway to a nice new running community site (with, I know TK doesn&#8217;t want to hear it) &#8220;friends&#8221; and everything called GoWagon.com.</p>
<p>I got the HRM but I almost never use it.  And, yes, nice run today.</p>
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